知己/知音 :Close/Bosom Friends


Dear Friends,

We talked about Zhu Geliang earlier regarding his wise 86 words to his youngest son while he was at the frontier in his last battle.

Zhu Geliang is always being depicted as the wisest strategist during the war-lord era of the Three Kingdoms.

On the contrary, Cao Cao is always being depicted as a ruthless and cunny strategist (奸雄  vs 英雄, unscrupulous opportunist as opposed to hero), strengthening his position by essentially keeping and controlling the young but powerless Han emperor (獻帝, Xian Di).

In those turbulent times, guess it is the power of one’s army and the guns, not much of righteousness, to which Liu Bei (刘备) is always being associated with as he was a distant relative of the Han royal family and therefore a rightful person in-line to rule the Han land. If you read the story of the Three Kingdoms careful, there is not much difference among the war lords, only the rules of jungle and who out maneuvered who. That’s it.

Apart from Cao Cao and Liu Bei, Sun Quan (孙权) formed the other power center.

Sun Quan’s most famous general was Zhou Yu (周瑜), young and very talented. In the novel by 罗贯中 (Luo Guanzhong, who wrote the Story of the Three Kingdoms. This was of course different from the real history though it described most of the famous events and battles, including the famous Battle at Red Cliff), Zhou Yu was outwitted by Zhu’s near divine wisdom and eventually died after losing his cool three times courtesy of Zhu (孔明三激周瑜).

At Zhou Yu’s funeral,  Zhu Geliang wrote a long obituary, citing his respect for Zhou’s courage, wisdom and a distinguished general. He ended by saying  “从此天下,更无知音!”,meaning ” from now onwards, there will be no one who can understand me better” .

In today’s world, it is very hard to find a friend, let alone an intimate friend who actually understands oneself.

Zhu stands out because of Zhou Yu, or Liu Bei stands out because of Cao Cao, or Guan Yu (关羽)’s loyalty and righteousness versus Lv Bu (吕布)’s yearn for fame and glory ahead of loyalty and righteousness.

So we can say “Zhou Yu therefore Zhu Geliang” or “Cao Cao therefore Liu Bei” etc.

There is a famous saying, “生瑜又生亮”, ie  “whereas the world already has Zhu Geliang, why give rise to a Zhou Yu ?”. Similarly, whereas there is already a Cao Cao, why give rise to a Liu Bei ?

In a short life time, how many people can we find that we can call “bosom friends” who can really understand us yet without any conflict of interest?  May be we can’t even exhaust counting using our fingers in one hand.

Or may be, just as Zhu Geliang put it, it may be the arch rival who can understands oneself best and has utmost mutual respect for each.

Remember Confucius’ saying again ”

知之为知之,不知为不知,是知(智)也。

知 is such a rare thing to grasp or  “understand” (satori, 悟)。

For those who are curious about what Zhu Geliang wrote i remembrance of Zhou Yu, here it goes :

“呜呼公瑾,不幸夭亡!修短故天,人岂不伤?我心实痛,酹酒一觞;君其有灵,享我烝尝!吊君幼学,以交伯符;仗义疏财,让舍以居。吊君弱冠,万里鹏抟;定建霸业,割据江南。吊君壮力,远镇巴丘;景升怀虑,讨逆无忧。吊君丰度,佳配小乔;汉臣之婿,不愧当朝,吊君气概,谏阻纳质;始不垂翅,终能奋翼。吊君鄱阳,蒋干来说;挥洒自如,雅量高志。吊君弘才,文武筹略;火攻破敌,挽强为弱。想君当年,雄姿英发;哭君早逝,俯地流血。忠义之心,英灵之气;命终三纪,名垂百世,哀君情切,愁肠千结;惟我肝胆,悲无断绝。昊天昏暗,三军怆然;主为哀泣;友为泪涟。亮也不才,丐计求谋;助吴拒曹,辅汉安刘;掎角之援,首尾相俦,若存若亡,何虑何忧?呜呼公瑾!生死永别!朴守其贞,冥冥灭灭,魂如有灵,以鉴我心:从此天下,更无知音!呜呼痛哉!伏惟尚飨。”

37 Responses

  1. I can’t even count 1 close/bosom friend, not even my enemy if I’ve one. Everything I do, I got to remember that nobody will be supporting me, except for my God, Jesus & Holy Spirit. If I fail, nobody is affected except for myself.

    Hmmm…..come to think of it, this is quite a sad conclusion after living life for so long! Anyway, I have not given up hope….the day will come, when I’ll have a close/bosom friend! 🙂

  2. Yes, sometimes your arch enemy understands you best, because both of you think the same, therefore you become rivals for the same things.
    I think one’s spouse could be one’s best friend, or closest to one; although he/she is of a different gender, therefore sometimes unable to understand certain things belonging or peculiar to the other gender. I think a person is very fortunate if his/her spouse is his/her best friend; then one does not have to go far to look for one.
    What do others think?

  3. i think a spouse is a spouse, not a friend. A spouse, when becoming a friend, is spouse no more.

    a friend is a soul mate, a spouse not.

    may be i am too “square”.

  4. xy2, then what is a spouse?
    Maybe you can let us have your definition.

    Certainly I have known couples who are the worse enemies, and I have also known two best friends who decided to get married (friends first, then marriage partner).

  5. sorry friends are not spouse, that’s why after marriage, they are not friends anymore, their relationship changed to that of a spouse.

    True friends should have no conflict of interest.

  6. I absolutely agree with XY2…sad to say…. 😦

    I’m truly thankful to XY2 to be so bold as to say that! I would probably have avoided that question & maybe if cornered will just say the right thing, in order not to hurt anybody.

    I feel that my greatest weakness is that I don’t want to hurt anybody….hence making decisions that will eventually hurt many & trying not to get to that stage but ended up, still get into that stage….leading to self denial. I’m often found to be living my life for somebody else, not for myself, to the extend that I can’t find my true self anymore. Got to even think hard about what I like & dislike. I’m like water which fills any design of containers- round, square, long, etc…

    Now, with my children grown up, I hope to find out Who Am I! It will be a journey but life is still very long, if we are expected to live till 120 yrs old! 🙂

  7. “朋"(Peng) refers to people under the same school or master.
    For example, all disciples under Confucius were “朋".

    “友"refers to people sharing the same interest or aspiration.

    In modern Chinese, "朋友"is used in a similar way to “friends” in English.

    Strictly speaking, “知音"does not need to be 朋 or 友,though closer to “友", while they may share the same aspirations, they may not share the same interest.

  8. Some distinct relationships:

    (I will use the male gender, same applies to both sexes).

    Father & son

    Between brothers

    Husband & wife

    Boss & subordinates

    Between colleagues ( of same or different levels)

    Between friends (of course all sorts of “friends”) etc

    When we mix some of these relationships together and try to have multiple roles between two individuals, given human have emotions, that’s when trouble may begin.

    Maybe many marriages didn’t work out because they expect their spouse to be friend as well (or that type of relationship when they were friends).
    Of course one can pretend to unwind the clock from time to time (such as birthday or wedding anniversary) to celebrate in a more romantic atmosphere.
    This of course is needed to keep the fun going but morning after it is husband and wife all the same, not that there’s anything wrong with a husband and wife relationship.

  9. xy2,
    Aiyah getting too complicated for me. Maybe I am too simple minded!
    Something interesting here. The only ”知音” I knew all this time was a chinese store which supplied all the chinese ingredients I needed whenever I wanted to cook something authentically chinese and I could not find them the regular Japanese stores.
    Maybe that was why the owner named the store such! 🙂 🙂

  10. Wow, lots of wisdom writings here.
    xy2, I am truly amazed at your ability to lead the reader from a classic storyline to a deep thought provoking subject.
    Thanks for bringing back the characters of the Three Kingdom in your analogy. Very enlightening and never did I think those characters can be paired that way. You must have come from those times, no ????

    Close bosom friends ? While studying, perhaps yes. Once married and with families, all pre-occupied with own priorities.

    A tricky term:
    I think a spouse becomes a spouse when one assumes/expects the other to understand everything without having to say a word !

    A friend, and a close-bosom one at that, is one who dares to open up everything and receives no judgement nor expectation. No conflict of interest.

    That said, the spouse completes the other, the friend complements. And spouse is the likely one to walk the journey together through thick and thin.

    YL, living your life for others ? Mothers all have that thought. Got to learn to be selfish a bit.

  11. Mf, I admire your wisdom!
    You got it summed it all well and made it easier to understand.
    Well said.

  12. YL, about living our lives for others. Well, if we do not live some for others, then what is life all about? If we live every minute for ourselves, I doubt we will be very happy.
    Sure, sometimes we are fed up about having to sacrifice this and that for others especially our kids, but our parents did that for us therefore we are here and if we do it willingly and with love, then it is not a sacrifice.
    Of course a balance is always needed.

  13. 知己, 可遇但不须强求。it’s very enlightening to point out that ones arch rival could understand him best, because the rival would care enough to understand/analyse him in many angle in order to win. That’s a great deal of effort and time spent. Nowadays, how many people one would care to spare time? After all there’s a lot in life to consume everyone 🙂

  14. There is a joke in China re couple : “How can you tell whether a couple is husband and wife or whether the lady is a mistress?”

  15. So what is the answer? The mistress is a friend whereas the wife is not???

  16. the test, say for example, a couple is walking casually together in the shopping mall and the lady accidentally walk into a highly transparent glass panel/door (which happens accassionally given distraction on all the branded stuff on display). The lady cried out loud “Ouch!”, clearly in pain.

    There will be two likely reactions from the man:

    1. he quickly responded and came to the lady, sounded very concerned and said softly :
    ” Honey, it sure hurts, are you okay?”

    or

    2. he quickly responded and said rather loudly :
    “Are you blind?”

    you got the picture.

  17. C’mon !
    xy2, you do that to your spouse ?? Oh, that’s a China couple, so doesn’t apply to all of us, right ?

    If not, then most of us would be seen as “mistresses” !

  18. Mf,

    You got carried away.

    Did I say which is which?

    “It is not the wind,

    Neither the flag,

    It is the heart that moves!”

  19. Hahaha!!!!

    About walking into the glass panel, I would think the husband would say…
    “Walk also don’t know how to walk properly! Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!!! See lah…see some more lah…later head pecah, then you know!”

    When I bang into the glass panel, I would quickly pretend my head does not hurt though it may be bleeding, coz I feel guilty of not walking properly & being distracted by something. Also expecting the above reprimand if I so much as make a sound of pain. 🙂 We are Chinese!

  20. Hahaha, as i read YL’s response. That sounds very homely/local 🙂
    I think xy2 provided 2 distinctive answer, but most likely it will be in the middle:
    one will laugh in the heart, but pretend to exaggerate concern. The other will show concern in the heart, but can’t help laughing and teasing openly as joke and future joke 🙂

  21. The first response: “Honey, are you okay?” is for honeymooners. Once the honeymoon is over, then it is the second response!
    I once fell after missing the last step of a flight of stairs. My then would-be-spouse was on the scene and said, “I pity the floor. I hope the hole on the floor is not permanent”. I still wonder why I married him!!??

  22. HAHAHAHAHA…!!!!!

    CH. that’s the best joke I’ve heard! 🙂 🙂 🙂
    He is really a joker & super good at masking his great shock! Maybe his heart was dented by your fall….

  23. anyone has suggestion of a test or joke re “知己/知音“ ?

  24. xy2,
    I think we have all reached a little “road block” here.

  25. Xy2 is at Ulaanbaatar now. With minus 40 degree Celcius, guess bosom friend means somebody who “understands” how freezing cold I am feeling now or the joy of experiencing the cold with the smokey burning coal smell all over to keep the city warm.

  26. Where in the world is this Ulaanbaatar?? XY2, you really know how to choose places that are unknown to explore…

    I’ve never experienced minus 40 degrees! So, if you not careful, you can anytime turn into a pillar of ice?? You also mustn’t talk too much, otherwise your tongue may be frozen? 🙂 You need to keep on moving your body, so that your blood will circulate around.

    Errr….so did I understand enough to be your Bosom Friend?? 🙂 Hehehe….

  27. hey, Ulaanbaatar still has modern buildings and tall hotels. doesn’t look that bad 🙂
    Looks like we have a better winter experience at Squaw Valley (ex olympic village) in a cozy cabin at Lake Tahoe. xy2, you should come to ski once – looks better than Whistler… Google map shows there are mountain ranges around Ulaanbaatar. Wonder if they ski around?

  28. Why in the world you are in Ulaanbaatar ?
    Helping Malaysians solve the Mongolian murder ?
    Moving from Three Kingdom to the great Temujin’s (Genghiz Khan) land, looking for fresh material for next blog ?
    Do tell us about it !

  29. Dear fellow blogmates,
    I think I know why xy2 is in Ulan Bator.
    He would not be there for pleasure, unless he has a “warm and sweet” mistress with him. Which does not look like it from his freezing statements. So the other best guess is: He is there looking for fresh investments!
    Do not forget that beneath all the iciness and cold, there are lots of riches (i.e. minerals and rare metals and stuff that are worth a lot) in Mongolia.
    So guys, park your money with him!!
    Er, xy2, just between you and me, if you do get those funds coming in, I need to be paid some PR fees too!! 🙂 🙂

  30. Hehe, ch, you sure are his close/bosom friend. You know him soooooo well !! 🙂

  31. i don’t know that he is offering valet for monie parking service. if so, pls let me know too.
    I think he just go there to get closer to nature/reality of people’s life to expand one’s view. That’s about the righ time since kid has grown up. I would love to see more parts of the world too 🙂 Just not sure what trigger his mind to think about friendship vs life companion (not a bad blog topic though) 🙂

  32. Most likely to escape the smog, pollution, noise & work in Hong Kong?
    Or to think about…what is life all about? 🙂
    Find oil? Liquid gold? Black gold?

  33. xy2, any smog there in winter?

  34. Coal is cheapest energy to keep going in any developing countries. Unfortunately it is also the dirtiest.

    Guess you can’t clear blue sky here in UB, though it is supert once outside in the open steppe.

  35. In the posting “2010 : The Year of White Tiger”, I mentioned thIs winter will be colder than average and that the Lung system is exposed and vulnerable to attacks like H1N1.

    Though White Tiger is coming to it’s end, the cosmic forces is continual in it’s changes, so take great caution on H1N1 and the likes, strengthen your immune system.

  36. In Mongolia, Genghis Khan is written as “Chinggis Khaan”, so it would appear his Chinese name “成吉思汉"is closer to his Mongolian name, “K” sound is subdued.

    There is also a research paper that about 20% of modern Mongolian can be traced back to the family tree originated from Chinggis Khaan, via DNA random sampling. That explained his vitality and wanting to spread his empire.
    Modern Mongolia’s population is only 2.8 million, about half is less than 20 yrs old ( guess could be due to their primarily meat eating habit). About 60% live in the 3 big cities, the rest as nomads I. Their land mass of about 1 million sq.km, which I think mor than half od Aussie.

    With the severe winter this year, many herds have perished. I hVe to say it is not easy to find people who love their land so much. Though the Mongian steppe is indeed beautiful in warmer weather.

  37. The Mongolians also produce the strongest wrestlers. The two most famous sumo wrestlers are Asashoryuu (who retired recently) and the reigning grand champion, Hakuho. Guess eating meat helps.

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